1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:03,600 between France and Belgium has 2 00:00:01,839 --> 00:00:06,359 reportedly been closed now quite a 3 00:00:03,600 --> 00:00:08,480 significant event do you think that such 4 00:00:06,359 --> 00:00:10,040 security measures can help prevent 5 00:00:08,480 --> 00:00:13,120 similar 6 00:00:10,040 --> 00:00:16,480 attacks well they're necessary but not 7 00:00:13,120 --> 00:00:18,840 sufficient in fact the shenen 8 00:00:16,480 --> 00:00:22,080 arrangements should have been suspended 9 00:00:18,840 --> 00:00:25,320 completely after the equally foul 10 00:00:22,080 --> 00:00:28,840 atrocity in Paris uh just a few months 11 00:00:25,320 --> 00:00:31,960 ago uh they are necessary but they are 12 00:00:28,840 --> 00:00:34,399 not sufficient it it's clear that these 13 00:00:31,960 --> 00:00:37,320 people are well organized their 14 00:00:34,399 --> 00:00:40,000 murderous intent is 15 00:00:37,320 --> 00:00:42,520 uncheckable uh they are a death cult 16 00:00:40,000 --> 00:00:46,199 they care nothing about giving their own 17 00:00:42,520 --> 00:00:49,239 lives to take many of ours so clearly 18 00:00:46,199 --> 00:00:51,559 shenen suspension tighter border 19 00:00:49,239 --> 00:00:52,760 controls and so on are necessary but 20 00:00:51,559 --> 00:00:55,239 they're not 21 00:00:52,760 --> 00:00:57,039 sufficient now Mr Galloway we're hearing 22 00:00:55,239 --> 00:00:59,000 reports that Belgian intelligence 23 00:00:57,039 --> 00:01:01,160 already had information that terrorist 24 00:00:59,000 --> 00:01:02,760 attacks were being planned what do you 25 00:01:01,160 --> 00:01:06,040 make of 26 00:01:02,760 --> 00:01:08,040 that well I think we can almost always 27 00:01:06,040 --> 00:01:11,560 say that terrorist attacks are being 28 00:01:08,040 --> 00:01:14,360 planned and not just in uh Brussels uh 29 00:01:11,560 --> 00:01:16,920 these people appear to be in very 30 00:01:14,360 --> 00:01:20,320 significant numbers uh these attacks in 31 00:01:16,920 --> 00:01:24,280 Paris and Brussels uh were not Lone Wolf 32 00:01:20,320 --> 00:01:27,600 attacks of uh deranged uh swiveled 33 00:01:24,280 --> 00:01:30,840 Madmen uh these are people with military 34 00:01:27,600 --> 00:01:33,960 capability and they appear to exist 35 00:01:30,840 --> 00:01:36,520 uh in all countries in significant 36 00:01:33,960 --> 00:01:40,040 numbers and we're just not getting to 37 00:01:36,520 --> 00:01:44,680 grips with that and worse than that when 38 00:01:40,040 --> 00:01:48,119 uh Russia uh joined seriously the war in 39 00:01:44,680 --> 00:01:53,119 Syria to try and exter Pate at least the 40 00:01:48,119 --> 00:01:56,600 base of this Isis Al-Qaeda phenomenon uh 41 00:01:53,119 --> 00:01:59,520 they were subject to merciless criticism 42 00:01:56,600 --> 00:02:02,280 threats of sanctions and so on uh by the 43 00:01:59,520 --> 00:02:05,439 very Western countries that are uh 44 00:02:02,280 --> 00:02:07,879 shedding in some cases crocodile tears 45 00:02:05,439 --> 00:02:11,280 today these presidents and prime 46 00:02:07,879 --> 00:02:14,840 ministers uh who appear shocked shocked 47 00:02:11,280 --> 00:02:17,239 that such a thing can happen again are 48 00:02:14,840 --> 00:02:20,040 the very people who didn't support 49 00:02:17,239 --> 00:02:22,920 Russia indeed attacked Russia for trying 50 00:02:20,040 --> 00:02:26,160 to uh at least on this particular 51 00:02:22,920 --> 00:02:28,959 Battlefield in Syria uh actually destroy 52 00:02:26,160 --> 00:02:30,920 these people and of course Mr Gallow 53 00:02:28,959 --> 00:02:32,640 these these tragic events today they're 54 00:02:30,920 --> 00:02:35,360 not the only attacks this month earlier 55 00:02:32,640 --> 00:02:38,040 we saw attacks in ankora as well and 56 00:02:35,360 --> 00:02:40,440 Turkish president Ty berigan warned that 57 00:02:38,040 --> 00:02:42,560 Europe and specifically Brussels um 58 00:02:40,440 --> 00:02:44,280 could uh could face the could become the 59 00:02:42,560 --> 00:02:45,760 target of such attacks before we come 60 00:02:44,280 --> 00:02:48,200 back to you let's just take a listen to 61 00:02:45,760 --> 00:02:48,200 uh to his 62 00:02:49,840 --> 00:02:54,920 comments there is no reason why the bomb 63 00:02:52,360 --> 00:02:58,840 that exploded in Anora cannot explode in 64 00:02:54,920 --> 00:03:01,640 Brussels or in any other European 65 00:02:58,840 --> 00:03:04,000 city what do you make of um of the 66 00:03:01,640 --> 00:03:06,080 Turkish president's words Mr 67 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:08,319 Gallow well I'll I'll give him the 68 00:03:06,080 --> 00:03:11,400 benefit of the doubt that it was not an 69 00:03:08,319 --> 00:03:13,599 informed uh prophecy but erdogan and his 70 00:03:11,400 --> 00:03:16,400 regime have played a very significant 71 00:03:13,599 --> 00:03:19,040 part in begetting Isis in in 72 00:03:16,400 --> 00:03:22,920 facilitating it arming it treating its 73 00:03:19,040 --> 00:03:26,000 wounded uh buying its stolen goods and 74 00:03:22,920 --> 00:03:28,560 of course at the very same time as these 75 00:03:26,000 --> 00:03:31,599 M murders in ankora have been taking 76 00:03:28,560 --> 00:03:34,480 place erdogan himself has been murdering 77 00:03:31,599 --> 00:03:37,920 Kurdish people in his own country and in 78 00:03:34,480 --> 00:03:40,599 Syria in very very much larger 79 00:03:37,920 --> 00:03:42,959 numbers now Mr Galloway in the in light 80 00:03:40,599 --> 00:03:45,000 of these recent attacks in today's 81 00:03:42,959 --> 00:03:47,319 attacks in Brussels we've seen security 82 00:03:45,000 --> 00:03:49,159 heightened across Europe um at Frankfurt 83 00:03:47,319 --> 00:03:51,560 airport for instance and also cologne 84 00:03:49,159 --> 00:03:53,959 airport um can you tell us more about 85 00:03:51,560 --> 00:03:57,280 the situation in Europe at the 86 00:03:53,959 --> 00:04:00,000 moment well uh I think that Europe will 87 00:03:57,280 --> 00:04:03,000 go into lockdown because it's very 88 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:05,439 unlikely that this uh incident will be 89 00:04:03,000 --> 00:04:09,000 the last of its kind and we here in 90 00:04:05,439 --> 00:04:11,920 Britain are extremely worried uh that uh 91 00:04:09,000 --> 00:04:15,079 we are in the firing line we're not of 92 00:04:11,920 --> 00:04:17,000 course in the shenen and we have clear 93 00:04:15,079 --> 00:04:20,680 water between us in the European 94 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:23,680 Mainland but uh our uh problem is there 95 00:04:20,680 --> 00:04:26,360 nonetheless and particularly in London 96 00:04:23,680 --> 00:04:30,160 particularly where I'm sitting now in 97 00:04:26,360 --> 00:04:33,240 Central uh London I hope the our 98 00:04:30,160 --> 00:04:36,520 intelligence uh and our police are 99 00:04:33,240 --> 00:04:40,320 wholly prepared for the challenges that 100 00:04:36,520 --> 00:04:43,160 probably lie ahead and if they uh emerge 101 00:04:40,320 --> 00:04:46,440 we have to shoot these people dead we 102 00:04:43,160 --> 00:04:49,320 there is no room for liberalism in this 103 00:04:46,440 --> 00:04:52,440 someone comes to harm innocent people in 104 00:04:49,320 --> 00:04:55,600 London whatever their cause uh they must 105 00:04:52,440 --> 00:04:58,440 be shot down dead but that will not 106 00:04:55,600 --> 00:05:01,440 solve the problem that too is necessary 107 00:04:58,440 --> 00:05:05,440 but not sufficient you know we actually 108 00:05:01,440 --> 00:05:08,400 created this phenomenon in the 1980s in 109 00:05:05,440 --> 00:05:11,639 Afghanistan when on the principle of my 110 00:05:08,400 --> 00:05:14,720 enemy's enemy is my friend we built up 111 00:05:11,639 --> 00:05:17,840 this fanatic extremism just like Dr 112 00:05:14,720 --> 00:05:21,000 Frankenstein built up his monster only 113 00:05:17,840 --> 00:05:23,400 for it to quickly break out of control 114 00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:26,880 that's what's happened I told Mrs thater 115 00:05:23,400 --> 00:05:29,720 on the eve of the fall of Cabo in the 116 00:05:26,880 --> 00:05:32,280 1980s you have opened the gates for the 117 00:05:29,720 --> 00:05:35,039 barbarians and a long dark night will 118 00:05:32,280 --> 00:05:38,520 now descend I never said true or 119 00:05:35,039 --> 00:05:40,960 once and Mr Galloway in terms of the uh 120 00:05:38,520 --> 00:05:42,479 broader EU policy on the migrant crisis 121 00:05:40,960 --> 00:05:44,919 these attacks obviously come on the back 122 00:05:42,479 --> 00:05:46,840 of that deal between the EU and turkey 123 00:05:44,919 --> 00:05:49,319 in terms of the the funding and the 124 00:05:46,840 --> 00:05:52,199 exchange of of Asylum Seekers between 125 00:05:49,319 --> 00:05:54,280 the camps what impact will this have on 126 00:05:52,199 --> 00:05:56,840 any future such deals and indeed on the 127 00:05:54,280 --> 00:05:59,880 migrant crisis uh in Europe at the 128 00:05:56,840 --> 00:06:03,440 moment well it's not having uh any 129 00:05:59,880 --> 00:06:06,840 impact at all the Sea of misery still 130 00:06:03,440 --> 00:06:09,360 streams our way uh and that's not I 131 00:06:06,840 --> 00:06:11,919 think in the short term going to change 132 00:06:09,360 --> 00:06:14,440 it was a very sordid deal you know 133 00:06:11,919 --> 00:06:18,120 erdogan who did so much to create this 134 00:06:14,440 --> 00:06:21,479 Refugee crisis accepts large amounts of 135 00:06:18,120 --> 00:06:25,160 European money to try we'll see if he 136 00:06:21,479 --> 00:06:29,599 succeeds in staunching the flow and in 137 00:06:25,160 --> 00:06:32,560 exchange he gets accelerated talks on 138 00:06:29,599 --> 00:06:36,560 turkey's entry into the European Union 139 00:06:32,560 --> 00:06:38,440 so it's a very good deal but only for 140 00:06:36,560 --> 00:06:39,880 erdogan Mr gallway thanks so much for 141 00:06:38,440 --> 00:06:41,360 joining us here on Art International 142 00:06:39,880 --> 00:06:44,840 great to have you with us today thank 143 00:06:41,360 --> 00:06:44,840 you welcome